Man o' man, so much for posting a comparison chart!! Sorry if some of your Mac-ego was a bit bruised here!
So, here's a one-answer reply to all of you Mac loyalist:
And please take the time to read carefully.
Had a minor wireless glitch the first week with Leopard but a fix was rolled out immediately. Other than that, upgrade has been flawless.
I'm in software development so I'm a hardcore power user. It's been put through its paces.
During the past couple of months, I've installed Leopard on my iMac, my wife's iBook, and my daughter's PowerBook. It works like a dream on all those machines and is a big step up from Tiger. We've had no problems whatsoever. To compare Leopard's user experience with those of Vista users is ludicrous. Of course, some users will have problems with every OS upgrade. Even if it's 0.1% of the user population, one can get the impression that there are a lot of problems every time Apple upgrades Mac OS because the only users who normally bother to post comments online are members of that tiny fraction of users.
You obviously don't know as much as you think you know, given you compared the Mac Pro with a lesser system. The Mac Pro with it's lesser features would slaughter your cheaper system running Windoze as the way it is built is much more efficient.
However, the Mac Pro is an industry system - for video editing and 3D animation.
Let's compare Apple's iMac to a similar Dell Inspiron product. These are two comparable companies as they both have similar customization options.
I'm going to compare in US dollars as both these companies are based there.
iMac System ($1,649)
2GB 667MHz DDR2 SDRAM - 2x1GB
320GB Serial ATA Drive
SuperDrive 8x (DVDÂ±R DL/DVDÂ±RW/CD-RW)
Apple Mighty Mouse
Apple Keyboard (English) + Mac OS X
2.4GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
ATI Radeon HD 2600 PRO with 256MB memory
20-inch glossy widescreen LCD
Bluetooth 2.0 + EDR
Dell Inspiron ($1,321.10)
Intel(R) Core(TM) 2 Duo Processor E6550
(2.33GHz, 4MB L2 Cache, 1333MHz FSB)
Pre-Loaded Genuine Windows Vista(R) Home Premium OEM
Dell 20" Entry (E207WFP) Wide Screen Flat Panel LCD Monitor (ANA, DVI)
Memory 3GB (2X1GB/2x512MB) NECC Dual Channel DDR2 667MHz SDRAM Memory (Limited upgrade offer)
320GB SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive with Native Command Queuing 16X DVD+/-RW with Dual Layer Write Capabilities
256MB PCIe(TM) x16 ATI Radeon(TM) HD 2400 Pro
Dell(TM) IEEE Firewire 1394 PCI Card (Half Height)
Dell(TM) A225 USB Stereo Speakers
Dell(TM) USB Quietkey(R) Keyboard with Silver Trim (English)
Dell(TM) Optical USB Mouse
Okay, so the specs here are about as similar as you can get. So let's compare.
Advantages of a Dell
- Faster DVD burner
- Free (limited time) upgrade to 3GB RAM.
Disadvantages of a Dell
- No Webcam
- Ugly, chunky, space eating system.
- Limited to Windoze OS (or Linux if you want to install it yourself)
- Slowwwwwwwww computers
- They come clogged with crappy programs that you just don't want
- From my experience you're lucky to get a year of it running at a decent speed...
- Firewire is an optional extra, no firewire 800 option.
Advantages of an Apple
- Built in iSight
- Beautiful all in one design
- Runs Mac OS X + Windoze + Linux
- Has Firewire 400 + 800 as standard
- Come with built in software that you'll actually use, and won't drive you crazy everytime you start up the computer
- Comes with Apple remote to control iTunes, Quicktime or Front Row
- A much faster computer in general
- You'll become part of the exclusive Apple Club which makes Apple users just click (I have never had a fight with a fellow Apple user)
Disadvantages of an Apple
- More Expensive
- Slower DVD burner
So number 54, is it us getting raped by Apple? Or is it you, being ignorant and getting raped (yes raped, not rapped) by Microsoft? I know that the extra $300 will be money well spent given the superior software, and functionality of the Mac. Extra speed and much longer lifespan. My last Mac lasted 3 years before I upgraded, I brought it superseded, and it is still being used by a friend of mine for video editing.
Lets face it, show me equivalent software to all iLife Apps, Photobooth and my favourite messanger Adium on the Windows platform that are free and I'll listen. I won't convert cause I've been there, and still use it occasional for testing my website in IE. The windoze system is stressful, and Macs slogan "it just works" is so true. Set-up takes about 5 minutes and then you're up and running.
Windoze machine are not really comparable to the Mac systems in the end. Show me a blog where windoze user praise their new system as much as any blog such as this. Because these computers are in a league far above and windoze system. Macs are a one of a kind. It is you 54 that is being raped.
Bought a macbook pro for work almost a year ago. Within 2 weeks of Mac ownership my PC became my trash computer. Now it just sits idle in the corner, and I'm considering shutting it down altogether. Can't wait to upgrade to Leopard when I get my new iMac next week! I even convinced my mom to buy a mac, after 2 months of confusion with Vista (anyone want a Vista PC - selling cheap). I'd say Microsoft should continue to diversify their product lineup, as PC's = poop!
Not a fan of the iPhone - ATamp;T BLOWS. I guess I will always be a loyal VZW - Blackberry guy.
Well, it's obvious that there is still a lot of tension out there between the two platforms!
I wanted a Mac about three years before I got my 33/66Mhz Mac 580cd(remember those?) in the mid 90's. The system I use now is a 400 Mhz G4 tower...too slow for even Tiger! But I've got my eye on a new Macbook Pro.
Number 94 made the following comment:
"And please, don't think i'm a Mac hater. I think it's an amazing operating system, but it truly isn't right for everyone. Desktop PCs offer things that iMacs and Mac minis can't, for a pretty good price. However, Macs offer great usability that PCs can't dish out. I think there's a place in this world for both. We just need to make it easier for them to both work together. Man can't live on bread alone."
I remember being the only Mac owner I knew of, back in the dark days of Apple(the 90's), and being mocked by the arrogant PCers. I used to say the same thing to them about PC's. But now the tables are about to turn, finally. Recently, I was telling people that Apple only needs five more years to lead the pack in numbers, but recent events make it seem like it will be a lot sooner.
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...and that's just two years! And the momentum is still building!
When I read 105's "comparison", I just laughed. You can't compare Apples to...(forgive the pun, but the idea's still there).
There really is no way to compare the two. If you have never experienced a Mac, then there is nothing any of us can say to help you understand; it's like trying to describe what color is to someone who has been completely blind all their life.
If you love your PC, then great! Personally, I don't get why people would stubbornly stick with a platform that is so awkward and frustrating. It's like choosing to repeatedly hit your head against a wall. But that is your choice...by the way, why would you come on a Mac site to post trash, anyway?
If it weren't for the XBox, and PC games, Microsoft would be in a lot more trouble than it already is. From the graphs on the website listed above, Dell is in trouble, probably because of MS.
Anyway, as Mac lovers, we need to be kind and understanding, because many PCers consider US to be the arrogant ones, despite the fact that most of us came over from that world, and many, many more are coming soon!
Short and sweet here...a convert from PC to Mac in October 07. Love my MBP and to the whackjobs posting the novels above...get a life.
You hate us "born agains", but just couldn't cough up he dough till now. Yes, it is the best $2700 I dropped, as that could have easily gone to a hi-class escort for a few hours of fun (Mac Fanatics and PC Geeks that wrote the novels...try some p($%$ssy...not the stuff you download, but old-school style...flesh). Gotta girlfriend now, so no need to spend the dough on a ho no mo! That's why I diverted funds to the MBP this time.
Sorry Apple Fanatics and PC Geeks...but flesh always takes the prize, not Macs and PCs.
Gotta run...girly just got out of the shower and we are gonna hit it one mo time!
Don;t forget your tube socks to catch your drippings as you stare at your screens...get some, will ya??
Pre-ordered Leopard and am loving it. Spaces is amazing, as is Time Machine. Uptime on my iMac was 21 days before the 10.5.1 release; now at 18 days without a restart since the update.
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I'm about to go back to the PC world because of some work I'm doing with a community group. Their grant stipulates Windows gear.
I am dreading this like the plague. Microsoft is so far behind the curve its pathetic. I'm really tempted to buy more Apple gear and load Windows on via Virtual PC.
In reality I'd like to see some truly "next-gen" stuff come out. Even Apple could advance faster, for my taste.
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I'm a PC user right now, I bought my laptop with XP and upgraded to vista... At the beginning I was "WoW","this is stable","this is good", yes, In the beginning... Three days later, error because this, error because that, but today I started to laugh with a thing... Tried to move a folder from MY desktop to MY Documents folder and Windows said me that I don't have permissions to do it... I don't even have permissions to move my files to my folders? That's very comic... And now i'm sure...my next computer wil be a mac... I live in Portugal and here Macs are very very rare... And I'm surprised that you people who had a 5 year old mac and upgraded to leopard and it ran flawless... my 3 year old desktop PC can't hold the upgrade to vista... driver imcompatibilty... I'm ashamed of having two PC's and zero macs...
I also admire the Apple programmers ability and creativty to make software... Things new , not copied from Windows like Microsoft does... Macs rule!
This was very helpful, for I was wondering if I had an error. You see, I lived in caves for many years, using an old Power PC workstation running OS 8! I only used it to write novels and do simple layout. I have both monochrome monitor card amp; color graphix board. The machine is 95 model, still runs, freezes sometimes, never mind the old Apple printer and how I get it to work ... but I love it!
I love my new Macbook and hope to get IPhone (when I get past the ATamp;T idea ... but they seem to have good stuff. it's the contract amp; billing part I can't get past.
New Imac or MacBook Pro someday too, maybe.
Thanks Mac folks
Can't really blame the genius bar for the keyboard freezing. They wouldn't have been able to fix it until the recent firmware update came out... The good thing is, if there is a problem with your mac generally a fix comes out within a month or as soon as they find out the cause of the issue. If something stops working on your pc, you generally need to live with it or buy a new part.
I have personally never had any hardware issues with any of my macs, but I acknowledge that there are some faults that do occur. Computers will always have their issues, that's the world of computing, I just thank Apple for keeping the faults to a minimum and fixing them as quickly as possible!
I bought a mac 3 weeks ago (Macbook) aside from the few big bugs it is a lot better then my PC.
-Log out stopped working, had to reformat
-Keyboard kept freezing, idiot err... genius bar couldn't fix it, update did.
Aside from the Idiot bar, and the few bugs it has been a joyful ride.
Sorry those who didn't like the like link I posted at #76...admit it is funny though!! aah come on it's The best page in the universe by MADDOX!! Have a sense of humor Mac users!
Amen #61. I get so tired of people that say they have a PC because of the games. If you are a true gamer, why the he!! would you play games on a computer. Get a box that's made for that purpose. An XBox 360, PS2, Wii. are far more superior than a computer at games. Since he's saving so much money on the PC you'd think he'd have extra money for that Xbox.
Also, it's funny when PC devotees call Mac users fanatics. It reminds me of politicians that use religion or social issues to distract voters from the real issues. PCs are lacking when it comes down to reliability. It appears to me that if you keep using a product even though it crashes and causes you to spend more time maintaining it than using it and also doesn't even hold its value after even a few months of use then you are the fanatic.
Let me explain how elegant Mac Leopard OS is. I purchased a 13" Macbook back in April. On the day of the 10.5 release I purchased it and upgraded the notebook from Tiger. It went off without a hitch. I NEVER had any trouble. It was such a great experience that I decided to give my 13" Macbook to my sister and purchase the 17" Macbook Pro. Using Time Machine I imported my data and apps without an issue. All my user accounts transferred with the correct configurations. I didn't have to tweak anything. It was like I had cloned the Macbook.
Also, in response to the poster that had trouble with airport after the upgrade. I had trouble with airport prior to the upgrade. This trouble disappeared after I switched ISPs. ATamp;T service at my new home degraded to such a bad level that my job gave me a broadband mobile card so I didn't have to connect my work computer (wintel laptop) directly to the router. Also, ATamp;T's attitude about assisting with the problem was less than professional. Instead of acknowledging there was a problem, they'd send a person to test the lines and then leave me a voice mail saying everything was fine, it was my brand new notebook computer and all the wintel computer's wireless cards that was the problem. The same notebook that wirelessly connected to public networks without effort but for some reason had trouble with my home ATamp;T line. That song changed after I called to cancel the service.
I've always been a Mac fanatic. I had an Apple II back in the day, so yes I'm obsessed. I just love the elegance of the hardware and software. Yes, we have to accept what Apple throws at us. Fortunately, they tend to toss out quality well supported products.
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